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It's a race against time in Venezuela, where rescue teams are frantically searching for survivors after two back-to-back earthquakes, some of the strongest ever recorded in the country. At least 164 people have been killed, according to acting President Delcy Rodriguez, but that number is expected to rise as crews reach hard-hit areas and the full scale of the devastation becomes clear. The heaviest damage appears to be centred in and around the capital Caracas, where people have been heard calling for help, as Mary Triny Mena reports. Also on today's show: former US Secretary of State John Kerry; Beeban Kidron, author, "Users"; Michael Scherer, staff writer, The Atlantic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
