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French politician Marine Le Pen has been convicted of embezzlement, which means she now faces potentially years behind bars, a €100,000 fine and an immediate ban from running for public office. It's a shockwave for France, where Le Pen has run for the presidency in every election since 2012, with her support swelling in recent years. To unpack what this means, foreign policy advisor Nathalie Tocci and veteran French reporter Thierry Arnaud join the show. Also on today's show: Dr. Sania Nishtar CEO, Gavi, The Vaccine Alliance; Tina Fordham, Co-founder & geopolitical strategist, Fordham Global Insight; author Edward Fishman, "Chokepoints" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
